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May
13

A Candid Yelp Advertising Review – Is Yelp Ripping People Off?

By Raymond Fong

Maybe you know and maybe you don’t… but Yelp (a local search and reviews online service) offers paid advertising for businesses called the “Yelp Sponsorship Program“. Click on the link...»

Yelp

To sum it up, according to the page advertising this opportunity, this Yelp Sponsorship program allows you to:

  1. Put up a slideshow of the images of your business.
  2. Highlight a user’s review that you like the most (as the business owner)
  3. Promote your business as a sponsored search result and on your competitors’ business pages. Target potential clients while they are making decisions about where to spend their money on a business like yours

It sounds all fancy spansy right?  Sounds like you get even MORE control over your business listing which will help “put your best foot forward” and sneak attack your competitors, stealing all their would be clients.

But Stop the Music, Do These Yelp Advertising Features Actually Accomplish Anything?  Or are They Just Fluff Designed to Lure You in so They can Zap You?

Suck Them in & Then ZAP Them!

Before we proceed, I’d like to first state that my experience and knowledge of this Yelp Sponsorship program comes from dealing with them on behalf of one of my clients.  This client signed up with Yelp (despite my warnings – apparently Yelp’s salesman are SMOOOTH) and I got to learn all about this program.

Having said that, that’s only ONE experience which doesn’t make me an expert but it certainly makes me more knowledgeable of this Yelp marketing program than those who’s never experienced it.

Furthermore, in case you are not familiar with how Yelp works, anybody can post a business on Yelp, as long as it falls under one of their categories and is a “fit” per their policies.  And the rightful owner can claim that Yelp page by jumping through some hoops and voila, you have a FREE listing about your business.

FREE Yelp Reviews Page

FREE Yelp Reviews Page

And for comparison’s sake, here’s an example of a PAID Yelp review page:

PAID Yelp Review Page

PAID Yelp Review Page

With that said… let’s examine feature #1.

The “Slide-Show”

Now, granted the larger images and the “slideshow” adds a bit more snazziness to the page but honestly, how big of a difference does it really make?  If you wanted to see pictures, wouldn’t you be inclined to go visit the business’ actual website?

I’d love to see some split test on this…

Favorite Review

As far as feature #2, I suppose this is a good thing, like Yelp for Business Owners says, “put your best foot forward”.  But then they go and shoot themselves in the foot by posting the “Rating Distribution” graph next to it.  This graph, as you can see, shows all the reviews, INCLUDING the negative ones.

As humans, we are so inclined to ask “what’s wrong” that I reckon most wouldn’t take the “favorite reviews” at face value; they’d go and seek the worst reviews to find out why those folks gave bad reviews.

Yelp’s Business Owner’s Sponsorship Program feature #3 is my favorite.

Yelp Advertising… on Others’ Pages

So the idea here is similar to Google AdWords, when someone searches for a term related to your business, your listing shows up (as, “Sponsored Result”) with the hopes that your business gets clicked on.

Here’s the caveat though, Yelp is charging you per impression basis instead of per click basis.  What this means is that whenever your listing shows up in this manner, it counts against your total allotted amount that you paid of (so you are paying “cost per impression”).  If it were click based (cost per click) you would get charged ONLY if your ad gets clicked.

This brings into a few questions, the least of which are:

  • So how much is it per impression?
  • How many impressions can you expect to get (this is of course dependent on the search volume) – bear in mind that this is a LOCAL search and review online system.  Which means»
  • Are you able to test different the keywords with which your listing shows up (which is costing you money)?
  • Are you able to TRACK the results you are getting on fine details?  I.e.»
  • How much control do you have over this campaign?  After all, you ARE paying for it.

Before I Go On, Let’s Talk About Leakage

What is “leakage“?  Well, in internet marketing optimization term, it means actions taken by your website visitor that doesn’t contribute to your ultimate goal (such as capturing the lead, making the sale, etc.)  This often includes having active links which serve as distractions that take the visitor ELSEWHERE.

Now… take a good look at just about any Yelp review page, do you see leakage? Do you see links everywhere?  But more importantly (and relevantly from a marketing perspective), do you see the box that says, “People Who Viewed This Also Viewed…”?  Do you see how these links tend to be links to direct competition to the business review page you are viewing?

GEEZE!  Can You Say, "Leakage Leakage Everywhere!"?

GEEZE! Can You Say, "Leakage Leakage Everywhere!"?

Yelp.com Pay Per Impression is a Friggin’ Joke (& Rip Off You Can Argue)

Okay, so going back to the sample list of questions listed earlier on.  Let’s dig deeper and find out exactly what sort of program Yelp is running (and charging you for).

First of all, here’s the cost for Yelp’s advertising program:

$300/mo – promotes you to 1,500 people in your area looking for a business like yours.
$500/mo – promotes you to 4,000 people in your area looking for a business like yours.
$1000/mo – promotes you to 10,000 people in your area looking for a business like yours.

Blind Mouse TOY

Blind Mouse TOY

So you are looking at $100 CPM (cost per thousand impressions) to $200 CPM to advertise on their network. In the AdWords world, this is ridiculously high for paying CPM unless you are in some highly competitive and profitable business like real estate and 401k portfolios (oh wait… given the crash of the economy, DOH!).  Even then you are pushing it a bit.  Folks who are paying high CPM on the pay per click networks have thoroughly tested their campaigns, have tracked EVERY single detail, and have all the control in the world.

But on Yelp?  Hellllll no!  You don’t know what your “campaign” looks like let alone have any control over it.  You are like a blind mouse and they are the big bad kitty toying with you.  And yet, they are still charging you an arm and a leg.  And one quick look around Yelp will tell you that most businesses are NOT high-price markets, they are mostly smaller markets like restaurants.

This brings me to my second point of frustration when dealing with these Yelp folks, where’s the proof of these impressions people paid for???  Where are my listings showing up?  And what’s the conversion rate??  Again, they tell you nothing and keep you blind.

YUCK.

Sales Team Who Doesn’t Know Jack and Preys on Toy Mice

Okay, so I had the opportunity to speak to a Yelp representative on the phone on my client’s behalf.  Armed with my knowledge of AdWords, marketing, the works… I came prepared.  Sadly for the person on the other line, that’s more than I can say for her.

I asked about all the things I mentioned before (about click through rates versus impressions, how I can track my campaign, how much control I have, etc.) and she was STUMPED.  She couldn’t understand why we would care about such matters.  As a matter of fact, I’d venture so far as to say she didn’t know JACK about marketing, and yet, she’s representing a team that’s suppose to help us market.

But what REALLY got to me was when I asked her about a 24 hour backout clause, which means that within 24 hours of the start of the campaign, if I am not satisfied with the results I am seeing, I can cancel.  Nope she said… and the reason is because it takes time for the program to ramp up for me to really start seeing results.

EHHH?  It’s the internet we are talking about here right?  I can track clicks fairly easily right?  Hmmm… okay.

So then I went on and asked what is the minimum sign up period, to which she replied, “6 months”.

OMGWTFBBQ, 6 month minimum at $325 a month where you have NO IDEA what’s going on?
For some reason,»   Thanks but no thanks.

The Proof is in the Pudding – Proof that Yelp Sucked

Against my better judgment, my client went for it anyway, and looking at the chain of emails he received from Yelp along with how their program is setup, I can sympathize why.

See, Yelp is banking on folks NOT knowing the difference between “impressions” and “clicks”.  They are banking on the fact that businesses will confuse “impressions” with “visitors” – as in, “For $300 a month I can get 1,500 NEW customers every month?  SWEET, sign me up!“  They are banking on folks not knowing how to track their progress and not caring to either.  They are banking on being able to just sweet talk their would be victim on the phone and dazzle them with fluff.

And worse yet, without the clients being able to track the campaign, Yelp is able to get folks to resign, again and again, by giving out meaningless stats.

Don't Let Yelp Do This to You

Don't Let Yelp Do This to You

To give you a perspective of just how much SUCKINESS is in this program, with the aid of Google Analytics and my idea of adding a page that leads people to a printable in-store coupon, we were able to see how the program performed.  Here are the stats, in 2 months time, Yelp drove 64 unique visitors to this special landing page (which again helps us track the comers from our Yelp advertising campaign) and of those 64 visitors, we got 9 customers that we can tell.

This meant 32/1,500 = 2% conversion from visitor to Yelp to the website and 0.3% from impression to actual customer.  Put it another way, my client paid $72.22 for each of those clients – clients who are just diners to his restaurant.

NOTE:»

Ouch.

Look, You Don’t Need to Pay for Yelp, Nor Do You Want To

Don’t get me wrong, Yelp.com is awesome, I use it all the time to get the low down on new restaurants, find a plumber, etc.  But you don’t need to pay to use it!  Business owners can get free Yelp review pages and those rank (from a search engine optimization perspective) just as well as the paid for pages.

This means you’ll get traffic regardless!

Hope this was enlightening for you.  Like I said earlier on, I’ve had only one experience with Yelp and boy was it a horrible one.  I’d love to hear some success stories and some proof that it worked.

Until then, don’t pay Yelp a dime to join in on their “Yelp for Business Owners” program, especially if you are a restaurant owner.

Raymond Fong

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that you are really throttling the number of impressions your ads will show up because the number of LOCAL folks doing searches related to you business within your area is a tiny tiny fraction of the searches done nationally combined.Powered by Hackadelic Sliding Notes 1.6.3+
what keywords are converting, when is the best time to show your Yelp sponsored listing, etc.  Basically, questions that any savvy AdWords expert would ask.Powered by Hackadelic Sliding Notes 1.6.3+
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Comments

  1. Ashly says:

    If any business/person has been ripped off by Yelp the way I have I want to talk to you. Im trying to get a civil action lawsuit against them. Contact me ASAP. Thank you.

    face4body@aol.com

  2. My name is Chad Bergantz and I am Head of Marketing & Sales for SBN.com. I uderstand now why everyone is upset with yelp. We are actually are their competitors of Yelp and we are nothing like them. We are different and way cheaper with only a 3 month trial at $49 per month and a start up fee of $100. We have a great POPP (Pre Optimization Profile Page) and is definitely worth the price. We treat our customers right and you can work directly with me. If you have anybody else that would like some info, please contact me directly on my email or at my numbers listed below. I will explain everything, walk you through it slowly and give you a great deal. It will greatly improve your business and I will personally help you with anything you need. Feel free to contact me any time. cbergantz@sbn.com or my office at (949)873-1001 Ext 329

  3. Ed Pollock says:

    what happened to all the comments regarding YELP ..seems like they were all removed. If anyone is having problems with yelp I suggest you go to http://www.yelpscan.com and see the complete story …and maybe join the coalition. Google claimed they broke off negotiations to purchase Yelp because they weren’t being transparent…did they really believe they would change their stripes…no way

  4. I knew Yelp was sketchy on the veracity of the reviews – but I wasn’t fully aware of how opaque their advertising program was. I have one client that’s quite happy with Yelp, but I don’t think they know exactly how well it’s doing for them. This post has now been forwarded to them. Thanks for the eye-opener.

  5. Ed Pollock says:

    you are very welcome..spread the word ..it appears to me that this is called extortion…www.Yelpscam.com

  6. DAN says:

    A reply to above posting by Chad Bergantz at SBN.com YOU HAVE TO BE JOKING… Your site is a bigger scam than Yelp, and even more expensive

    And most important, your site actually has to have business listings ! ! ! I Searched IL, IN and I couldn’t find a single business listing. All search windows have the same results
    Business Categories or listing for (IL or IN, PA… Etc. has the same info See below!

    Automotive (10) Business & Professional (10) Health & Medicine (6) Travel & Transportation (11) Shopping (4) Education (8) Real Estate (8) Computers & Electronics (4) Personal Care & Service (5) Arts & Entertainment (7) Community & Government (9) Media & Communications (5) Clothing & Accessories (6) Food & Dining (7) Industry & Agriculture (5) Sports & Recreation (6)

    I like the Yelp site and they actually have business listed. But I wouldn’t advertise on Yelp.com or SBN.com

    Again… You must be joking, promoting your site!

  7. I too was smoothed in by salesman Paul Cebulak from Yelp. This program doesn’t work at all. It is a total scam. And I only get 500 impressions per $300 a month!! At least you got 1500. I haven’t had a single email or call from a Yelp searcher in the 6 months I’ve subscribed and now that I want to quit – they hit you with a $600 early termination fee. I’ve used google adwords for years with much success and not truly understanding what Yelp was offering, thought it might be helpful. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

    DO NOT JOIN YELP. You can use the site for free. I don’t even bother with Yelp anymore. I’m going for complete boycott.

    I also don’t understand that I’m paying for the impression and then competitors show up on my home page when you click through. Crazy.

  8. Ed Pollock says:

    go to http://www.yelpscam.com and see the complete story . ..join the coalition !!

  9. chuck says:

    Thanks. I came across this after spending 40 minutes on the phone with a sale person. I wasn’t leaning towards using yelp but I wanted to see what other’s experience had been.

    chuck

  10. Ed Pollock says:

    This month we are fowarding the yelpscam site along with a letter requesting a complete investigation of the practices of Yelp.We have over 1000 complaints.Letters will go to the FTC and The Attorney General for the State of California.
    Yelpscam

  11. Alter'Nathan says:

    Thank you for this clear explination of the yelp problem.

    I see yelp as a cancer spreading across the internet without regard for any one it harms. It is a money eating machine that has no care for anyone except itself.

    Perhaps Google will find a loop hole in the law to shut them down for exploiting their search engines, but I for one belive that a petition to Google asking that yelp search results are removed, or at tne very least a “no yelp results” radio check box ( remeber my choice) be offered as a way to have choice in what I get from a google search.

  12. Alter'Nathan says:

    Watch (share) this video and then decide if you would ever want to give yelp a penny of your money or your words of review.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so7bfzoyIjI

  13. Ed Pollock says:

    NATHAN: Thank you for adding the youtube video, “…to see the rest of the story” go to YELPSCAM. com . It’s all at that site. Yelp is evil.

  14. Wally H. says:

    What Scott at Yelp told me will be my biggest benifit was to give me back office control that will allow me to remove negative comments about my business and off-course leave the good ones! How Ethical & responsible YELP!

  15. Hi guys,

    I have heard about Yelp before but I hesitated to open an account with them without having some research.

    This thread helps me a lot to get to know it well. Thanks for the site, and also thanks for the video Alter’Nathan.

    Elmar

  16. Ed Pollock says:

    Hi Elmar: Glad that the comments here helped you decide on not advertising on Yelp. This is an evil company that we hope, after government investigation, will either shut down, or force them to change how they do business. Go to yelpscam.com and see just how bad it is all over the country.

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